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Thursday, April 19, 2007

What is man...

...but a bundle of desires?

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8 Comments:

  • What is superman... man who bundles off the desires?

    By Blogger Kautilya Jain, at 10:09 PM  

  • why are you simply re-asserting a universal truth?
    btw, what's up with your deflated balloon post?

    By Blogger Meghana Kshirsagar, at 12:58 AM  

  • @kautilya:
    Well said. However, I don't think even superman gets rid of all desires. Only his desires seem to become more in line with those of 'nature'.

    @meghana:
    It may be a universal truth to you, but not everyone agrees. Ask kautilya :)

    By Blogger Parijat, at 3:34 AM  

  • Okay, does saying that superman makes his desires in line with the nature convey that in effect his desires have subsided considerably? The fact that 'non-natural' life is much complicated and requires lot more social interaction than 'natural' life would say yes as the answer to the above question. Right? So now if you consider the existence of such a man as 'superest'man then wouldn't his desires be even lower than the superman following the same trend, hence would be even less prominent desires than the natural ones which the superman has as you say. Now what are the desires below the most basic ones that is the natural ones? No desires! Wouldn't that be like he's just keeping the inertia of his existence going (he is not wanting to finish himself so that the desires would end with himself, that is there is not even a desire to finish the desires; but acts, because one has to, as and when a situation is created in front of him. Acts as per his inherent nature compels him to. Now if you want to name this inherent nature of him as his desire, then it would not be right because his inherent nature is part of the 3 basic classes of attributes associated with his existence, and he clearly sees himself apart from them!)? Such a superestman is called 'sthitpragya'...

    By Blogger Kautilya Jain, at 5:08 AM  

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    By Blogger Meghana Kshirsagar, at 10:06 AM  

  • @Kox: Having only the basic desires also indicates a desire - the desire to live. People who lose this desire, see the end of their lives.

    In short, given any act of man, we can always reduce it to a desire.

    BTW, what are "the 3 basic classes of attributes associated with existence"?

    By Blogger Meghana Kshirsagar, at 10:07 AM  

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    By Blogger Kautilya Jain, at 12:10 PM  

  • @meghanak: "In short, given any act of man, we can always reduce it to a desire." -- No! (as per my current understanding) On one hand if this reduction is associated with the desire for the result of the act then it's certainly not so, for it's explanation as in how is it possible and the mental state of the person exercising it, you can refer to Geetaa's karma - fala - siddhaanta. If interested mail me and I can tell you the exact verse numbers explaining this.

    On the other hand if this reduction is associated with the desire to do the act itself that is desire to indulge in the karma, then also, IMHO, it's possible to do your karma without any desire to do so. For the partial defence of my opinion see my earlier (a bit long) post. For more, I'm myself mulling over it right now. Let's discuss it sometime.


    @meghanak:
    "the 3 basic classes of attributes associated with existence" -- satva, raja, and tamo guna, together called triguna.

    By Blogger Kautilya Jain, at 12:12 PM  

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